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With the somewhat imminent repeal of Title II, as of today (yup, this is being decided on as of this date), it makes me wonder just how badly it will affect sites like this one.

 

I love being able to help others in something I take joy in, but fuck all if we cannot rely on the internet because of corporate control, and then what happens after all the ISP's destroy our livelihoods? What then? Do we see all our favorite sites just suddenly get flushed down the toilet?

 

Anyway, I hope that doesn't happen, I hope Common Sense has a foothold somewhere high up to where Net Neutrality remains, but...

 

Well...I'll leave it to the floor for continued discussion, but this is some scary shit. Think about it for a moment.

 

Note: I originally posted this in Forum Support because this is a very important issue and General Chat just seems inappropriate for something of this magnitude (but it seems that it is merely a political scandal to everyone else - ah well...)

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Moving to General Discussion. Forums Support is for issues with the site that staff can resolve, not vaguely relevant political discussion.

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Good, hopefully it'll go through, so that 12 year olds have a more difficult time to access the internet and go back outside and play soccer with friends, like real healthy human beings.

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Good, hopefully it'll go through, so that 12 year olds have a more difficult time to access the internet and go back outside and play soccer with friends, like real healthy human beings.

Haha, sadly this is true. I remember coming home filthy with dirt and grime from playing football and adventuring the nearby farm/forest area. Kids nowadays sitting with the fancy up-to-date gizmos makes me sad. I was lucky to afford a playstation one and my second hand gamecube.

 

They've been planning on messing with the entire internet access thing for a few years now. Even if they do it, I doubt it'll be that impactful.

I admit - the internet needs a good clean out and a lot of bored individuals need to get a better hobby but no matter what happens - people find a way to get around it.

 

The government make alot of empty promises and threats, so I wouldn't worry to much.

Not that we can do anything about it anyway.

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In fairness to both the current UK and US governments they are very good at actually getting things into effect. Shame none of it is in the public interest. But hey, you voted them in guys!

 

Anyways, it doesn't seem like its that big of a deal. After the IPA I just never bothered getting a new internet connection after moving homes and, honestly, I'm way happier because of it; less near-obsessional content consumption, less arguments with strangers, less perverse data collection.

(Ofc, I don't have as much access to all the useful information and tools the internet provides either. Not to mention all your delightful company!)

 

At least the FCC are somewhat technologically well-informed and its visible in how they are handling it. Heck, even in the language used for the discussion. Compare it to our glorious leaders here in the UK who seem to think the internet is some extension of the British Empire and have any right imposing legislature on foreign businesses to global customers. Or that banning all forms of encryption is a security measure. Or that they should try to control pornography through identification if they can't outright ban it. Or, y'know what, I'm going to be vaporised for this. I love Big Brother.

Trust me, you've got it good over there. On this issue, at least.

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Good, hopefully it'll go through, so that 12 year olds have a more difficult time to access the internet and go back outside and play soccer with friends, like real healthy human beings.

You do realize that this could be very bad for my and many others' creative careers, right?

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Good, hopefully it'll go through, so that 12 year olds have a more difficult time to access the internet and go back outside and play soccer with friends, like real healthy human beings.

You do realize that this could be very bad for my and many others' creative careers, right?

 

At the very least, you and I grasp that...

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I really really thing people are blowing things waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion here. Look. I hate to be the barer of bad news, but the internet already is basically under corporate control, and has been for a long, long time. Most of the internet is corporate owned networks that have peering arrangements with each other. Most of the big internet sites like facebook and youtube are that way because their corporate overloads can afford to throw money at getting high speed connections, huge data centers, and cache servers. ISPs have always been engaging in shitty practices and the blocking of some sites/services. This is practically how the net has always been since the beginning.

 

So does that mean I am opposing net neutrality protections? Not at all, but they are a fragile artificial band-aid slapped over far far deeper problems. And honestly if net neutrality fails to be upheld? Worst we are going to see is the return of things like AOL and CompuServe, little walled off gardens of the net meant for particular customers. And yeah, that sucks. But it would be basically suicide for a lot of ISPs to try and do that. And you know there will be several ISPs that will rise up and make it a point to expressly NOT do that crap, because there will be a market for it. Optimization for particular sites/services? Maybe. Blocking 90% of the web? What are you nuts? Of course, this assumes corporations to actually not be run by a bunch of idiots, and we all know that is fairly hard.

 

How about this then: Maybe we should all give a finger to ISPs and corporate networks and just build a new internet based on peer to peer wireless connections? Sounds impossible? People are trying to do it. Heck, there have been experiments with a global network of internet enabling drones. Imagine if someone hijacked part of the so called 'internet of things' in the same way the Mirai botnet did, only instead of being used for DDoS attacks the worm could rewrite each object into a wireless meshnet node? What if it were possible to send end to end encrypted messages through that network? What if it used blockchain technology to distribute data without needing a server so some messages could never be censored or erased? Tor-like technology for anonymity? All of this could be possible, I think. Heck, it could all interface with the normal internet too if you had a bridge, though there is danger there. People could probobly build a Raspberry Pi router and install the right software, and if there is enough connections in an area? Boom!

 

I think there is some really exciting stuff going on behind the scenes, new technology that may totally change how people access the net, and the failure of net neutrality is only going to push more and more people into finding alternatives and better ways of doing stuff. If the internet collapses, be assured there are people working hard to make a better one. Can't stop the signal, not anymore. That's why the internet was built in the first place after all. And I promise, as long as someone cares enough and still has the database, this forum will live on in some form or another. We just need to keep it alive.

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Good, hopefully it'll go through, so that 12 year olds have a more difficult time to access the internet and go back outside and play soccer with friends, like real healthy human beings.

You do realize that this could be very bad for my and many others' creative careers, right?

 

At the very least, you and I grasp that...

 

Yeah, but... think about it, no more 12 year olds. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

All hail the ISP!!!

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Geez, all this talk about 12 year olds. Honestly, how many 12 year olds do you actually commonly run into on the internet, let alone ones that directly annoy you? Because for me it's basically nil. But then again I don't play Defense of the Call of Counter Strike Battlefield Overwatch Legends Fortress 2 or listen to whatever boybands or silly ditz or whatever the hip kids are into and don't pay attention to facebook or dumb youtube trends, so maybe I am just fortunate in that way?

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***Bullshit***. ***FARTKNOCKER FACE***

 

All hail GREED!!!

So, you're either...

 

An internet troll

 

A Soldier of Greed

 

One of the ISP's LAPDOGS

 

OR

 

A DEMON INCARNATE

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...Or just a really hardcore libertarian or anarcho-capitalist who believes the free market will manage it's self, but even if that were true (which I am ambivalent about), we still live in a world infested with too much 'crony capitalism' and therefore don't have a truly free market anyway. I mean, don't get me wrong, I generally rather side with the principles of free market capitalism rather then socialist-style government interventionism (if barely), but both can be equally awful. Like I said before though, it might be possible to come at the problem from another angle and find a way to avoid both.

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***Bullshit***. ***FARTKNOCKER FACE***

 

All hail GREED!!!

So, you're either...

 

An internet troll

 

A Soldier of Greed

 

One of the ISP's LAPDOGS

 

OR

 

A DEMON INCARNATE

 

ISP did nothing wrong and I think their way of thinking is justified in every way. I am glad to serve our new Lord and Savior. They will bring happiness to this gruesome Net. Hail ISP!

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Target suspected by actions to be designated 'Troll'.

 

Engaging counter-troll protocols.

 

WARNING: OVERREACTION DETECTED! COUNTER-TROLL PROTOCOLS CAN RESULT IN SYSTEM INSTABILITY AND SOCIAL BACKLASH!

 

Engage? (y/N)

 

y

 

Engaging...

 

Protocol 1: Tell others to ignore the target, while not doing so yourself.

 

Guys, just ignore them, they are obviously trolling and looking for attention.

 

Protocol 2: Question the target's maturity, regardless of one's own.

 

I mean they are obviously being childish and trying to get a raise out of people. Probably one of those 12 year olds everyone has been talking about.

 

Protocol 3: Threaten with appeals to authority that you don't have.

 

And trolling and harassing people is a bannable offense! If they don't stop the banhammer will be swift!

 

Protocol 4: ERROR: PROTOCOL CORRUPTED, RESORTING TO CHILDISH NAMECALLING AND INSULTING THE TARGET'S MOTHER.

 

We don't need some stupid troll here! You dumb dumb poopy-head fart-mangler! Your momma so fat, she should seriously conciser dieting a bit!

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Can't tell if this topic is joking about stuff, or triggering each other.

Or both.

 

 

 

 

 

Probably both.

Well, some are clueless/have no grasp on humour, like the topic creator, some are not taking this seriously, because there is no reason to take it seriously, like myself, some are protective for no reason, like a certain fairy and some are just curious, like you. 

 

It's actually like a normal everyday internet Thread, and not really worthy of spending your precious Time on it at all, unless you have nothing better to do than make fun of it... like myself. lmao

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Protective? Huh? Who am I protecting? I thought I was more switching between 'wanting to overthrow the whole net and build a glorious crypto-anarchist utopia' and 'poking fun'. Neither of them seem very protective to me.

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