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    Plague Docteur reacted to Tarq in Games made with RM are 'automatically bad'   
    @SaeryenA lot of discussion is aimed (for lack of a better word) at you because you represent the other side. It would be pretty nonsensical, never mind quite difficult, to debate with the people we agree with, no?
     
    That being said, again, I've seen absolutely nothing mean-spirited in this discussion. Even @ShinNessTen behaved himself :3
    Nothing has been said specifically about your game, only games that show symptoms of being bad games. if you're concerned that you're seeing those symptoms in your game then your choices are:
    1) Keep doing what you're doing because its your game. No-one has any business telling you not to because its your time and money.
    2) Consider what changes would be necessary to make the game better in the eyes of the majority.
    Instead, you are attempting to demand a third option where others play what they consider bad games, which is unreasonable because then you're making demands on other's time and money (see option 1). Its comparable to demanding that someone who dislikes pop music must listen to the radio since, eventually, they will find one or two songs tolerable amongst hours of dissatisfaction when they knew, beforehand, that this would be the case.
     
    This didn't really start out as a discussion about social ideology but since you are determined to 'view the effects on other people' then lets try approaching that third scenario in the way Shin said earlier:
    For the purposes of making your game more viable (and therefore make you happy) you want others to lower their standards and spend gruelling hours playing through games they know, from past experiences, that they will not enjoy (which makes them unhappy). It just isn't going to happen. Nor should it.
     
    So, again, no-one has said to stop making your game (so far as I can see no-one has even criticised it). Frankly, my own opinion is that you should be making your game because you enjoy the very act of game creation, not for whatever happens afterwards. However, if you get agitated because you merely suspect someone is criticising your game then perhaps it is best to stop because some people think the Venus DeMilo looks like rubble (by the by,you don't get to decide whether someone else's criteria of a good game is 'superficial'; the subjectivity card cuts both ways).
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    Plague Docteur reacted to Tarq in Games made with RM are 'automatically bad'   
    @Saeryen From everyone's responses, nothing leads me to believe they dont understand the OP. And we've wrote what we have because it is possible to form a fairly accurate opinion about things without fully undergoing the experience. And you do it yourself every day. When you go to the shops do you open the cereal box to confirm the correct cereal is inside?
    Don't get me wrong, I don't think any of us are hating on RM as an engine (we all use this forum after all); We use it because we recognise good quality games are as possible in it as any other engine. However, blindly assuming everything is good and great until proven otherwise through personal experience? You'd poison yourself within hours if you took up foraging with that attitude.
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    Plague Docteur reacted to Traverse in Games made with RM are 'automatically bad'   
    Strictly speaking, I wouldn't say the problem is that RPGMaker ALLOWS you to make a game with "much less effort". Like I said before, not only is effort pretty much unquantifiable, but frankly speaking, if you had the money you'd probably just be paying a contractor to handle the graphics and music so you could focus on just the coding and design yourself, which is what happens with bigger studios which also use (other and more expensive) third-party game engines. Paying other people is usually not considered personal effort either and if you have a big team, your own part isn't necessarily going to end up that massive in the big picture.
     
    The problem is that people HAVE ALREADY made lots and lots of games with mostly stock graphics and sound and very few custom mechanics/scripts (or else alot of the same public scripts to the point where those Yanfly scripts might as well be a built-in alternative to the default engine) and have since put them up for sale in full view of the public. Whether you call this kind of behaviour "low effort" or "engine abuse" or "totally legitimate usage wherein who comes first makes money" is a different story. The problem is that right now, people have already done it and the saturation has happened.
     
    Lots and lots of people have taken advantage of the generous library of stock assets to produce their products. And by "lots and lots", the market evidently seems to think "too many" and has for quite a while.
     
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    Plague Docteur reacted to Rikifive in Games made with RM are 'automatically bad'   
    The problem is, that RM helps you make the game with much less effort, thus is considered to be a software used by beginners, mostly because of its pretty much pre-made game structure. I do admit, that even for me it's sometimes hard to consider something made in RM as a 'game', as it looks more like a 'custom story', due to everything the same, except story and characters.
     
    Have you heard of 'Amnesia' and all the custom stories people were making? It's almost the same- they were making maps, story, items and stuff using pre-made mechanics and graphics. That was a success, but only for a limited time. I remember that being kind of popular back then, but now it's pretty much dead (I may be mistaking, though I haven't heard of these for years now) -- is it because people got bored of almost-pretty-much-the-same games? In my view it is almost the same for RM games, I suppose.
     
    Normally, you have to put so much effort to make a legit game, way more than in RM. Even if making maps and story for years is considered as effort, then imagine projects outside RM, where people have to write all the mechanics from nothing as well as make graphics to all of this and that's where another years kick in. RM offers developers to make a game without even having to use any code - and that's not what game developing is about. It's like... I don't know, making a level or few in some mario maker and consider it as a game.
     
    I suppose people got kind of bored of similar looking games, that use almost the same gameplay mechanics. I do admit, that I also like to enjoy gameplay, as it's one of the more important factors of the game for me (tbh I don't even need story, but it is of course welcomed- that's because these survival ~ crafting things are my favorite genres, so I don't require much from games). Seeing the very default battle engine itself can be disappointing, but that's for games, that actually focus on battles. As for me, I think that RTP is the issue, not RM itself, because it can create good games. With proper modification to make the game work and look to make it fit the story and the rest, it is possible to make good games.
     
    There are good games, that aren't hated, but liked - so the RM engines definitely aren't the ones to blame. How they are used is the key.
     
    I don't dislike games because they were made in RM (I was making some games there myself, duh!), but it is much harder to get me interested in the game when having the default look and gameplay, that makes it look like a level/custom story, rather than an actual game to discover. Yeah.. roast me, but I got kinda bored of these as well.  Not saying that these have to be bad of course, don't get me wrong.
    Another fact to consider is, that I'm just not really a fan of the RTP. These cute graphics and stuff, not always work well with what devs want to achieve.
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    Plague Docteur reacted to Traverse in Games made with RM are 'automatically bad'   
    Thing is, a ton of people DO get offended at the prospect of being charged money for a game that appears to consist mostly of RTP assets that have been used in a dozens of other games, a number of which they have probably already played if they are at the point where they're aware it's stock assets. It might not be an insult to their race or sexuality, but it would feel an awful lot like an insult to their intelligence. In the way of feeling like you're being sold tap water under a premium label.
     
    I'd also argue that making a judgment after reading a description and seeing screenshots is not particularly close-minded, especially when you likely can't play the actual game without shelling out money (and then having to go through the hoops of asking for a refund afterwards if you didn't like it). Close-minded would be seeing the tag "RPGMaker" and not even bothering to look at the screenshots. But if you bother looking the screenshots and all you see are stock assets - often badly used, maps with huge empty space - and when the description sometimes doesn't even have proper grammar then it doesn't paint a pretty picture.
     
    Take this one that managed to slip onto Steam just this year for example. The third screenshot says it all, really. Not only is the mapping less than stellar but the text is... not in good English. Neither in-game nor in the description. I have a feeling the Chinese version is probably more readable, but the fact remains that often you get games that not only (ab)use stock assets and popular scripts but also - despite selling themselves on story - have pretty bad writing which you can already tell from the screenshots and descriptions. If nothing else, that kind of thing tells you that either they didn't even put in the effort to cherry-pick their screenshots or else the whole game is so terrible that those screenshots WERE the best cherry-picked ones they had.
     
    Neither case is going to convince me to pony up my wallet. And the fact of the matter is...... these kinds of games aren't the rare exception to the standard. They are dime a dozen. In fact, it seems like there's been an influx of Chinese ones on Steam lately (some have an English description but only Chinese in-game text). Some of the bad ones at least don't charge money, but you also have ones like this one that try to sell themselves on parody and humor and being bad. The sad thing is that if I wanted to play a kusoge, I could just pick a free RPGMaker game on Steam at random and have an 80% chance of getting one anyway.
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    Plague Docteur reacted to Amysaurus in Games made with RM are 'automatically bad'   
    To me, buying a game with RTP graphics is like buying a game with pre-made Unity assets: very unlikely to happen.

    A major turn-off for me, and I think a lot of others as well, is that RM games get very same-y very quickly. When I'm seeing the same style of maps, sprites, and battle systems over and over, there's a point where a twist on gameplay or a neat story just aren't enough to keep me invested. Personally, the RM games that really stick with me are the ones that go out of their way not to look like one, whether that's through changing the art style, or using a setting/scenario other than generic fantasy, generic sci-fi, or lololol it's a meme game. 
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Nirwanda in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Nirwanda Is that what this forum is for? I thought we were all just here to goof around and share adorable cat and baby photos. My bad.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from lonequeso in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @lonequeso Bahahaha! I should change my username to Snickers since I'm fun-sized.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from PhoenixSoul in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Knighterius You say "dark temptress", but my husband prefers to think of me as travel size evil. LOL
     
    By the way, it's really awesome seeing all these photos of members. I assumed the majority of members were really young and it made me hesitant to ever strike up a conversation with anyone. It's really cool that we have such a wide range in ages of members here.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Nirwanda in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Nirwanda Is that what this forum is for? I thought we were all just here to goof around and share adorable cat and baby photos. My bad.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from lonequeso in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @lonequeso Bahahaha! I should change my username to Snickers since I'm fun-sized.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from PhoenixSoul in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @PhoenixSoul Pre-teen twat? I have no idea why, but I bust a gut reading that. You're our pre-teen twat though and we love you!
     
    *suddenly reflects on how long it's been since I was a teen and feels old*
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Nirwanda in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Nirwanda Is that what this forum is for? I thought we were all just here to goof around and share adorable cat and baby photos. My bad.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Crescent in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    There's so many adorable baby pics and other pics! Now you're all going to have to deal with pics of my ugly mug at various ages. XD
     
    Teenie baby me.
     
    A leaner, less scary version of me. I think these are from over a decade ago.
     
    A crazy cat of mine from many years ago that used to eat all my darn artwork. He was just a wee little runt in this pic.
     
    And that's it. I think I've tortured you all enough for one lifetime.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from lonequeso in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @lonequeso Bahahaha! I should change my username to Snickers since I'm fun-sized.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from PhoenixSoul in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Knighterius You say "dark temptress", but my husband prefers to think of me as travel size evil. LOL
     
    By the way, it's really awesome seeing all these photos of members. I assumed the majority of members were really young and it made me hesitant to ever strike up a conversation with anyone. It's really cool that we have such a wide range in ages of members here.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Crescent in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    There's so many adorable baby pics and other pics! Now you're all going to have to deal with pics of my ugly mug at various ages. XD
     
    Teenie baby me.
     
    A leaner, less scary version of me. I think these are from over a decade ago.
     
    A crazy cat of mine from many years ago that used to eat all my darn artwork. He was just a wee little runt in this pic.
     
    And that's it. I think I've tortured you all enough for one lifetime.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Knighterius in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    I'll probably regret this later, but decided to join the party and work up enough courage to post a pic of myself here.
     
    WARNING: Individuals with a weak stomach, heart condition or currently pregnant should avert their gaze. ROFL
     
     
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Crescent in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    There's so many adorable baby pics and other pics! Now you're all going to have to deal with pics of my ugly mug at various ages. XD
     
    Teenie baby me.
     
    A leaner, less scary version of me. I think these are from over a decade ago.
     
    A crazy cat of mine from many years ago that used to eat all my darn artwork. He was just a wee little runt in this pic.
     
    And that's it. I think I've tortured you all enough for one lifetime.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Crescent in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    There's so many adorable baby pics and other pics! Now you're all going to have to deal with pics of my ugly mug at various ages. XD
     
    Teenie baby me.
     
    A leaner, less scary version of me. I think these are from over a decade ago.
     
    A crazy cat of mine from many years ago that used to eat all my darn artwork. He was just a wee little runt in this pic.
     
    And that's it. I think I've tortured you all enough for one lifetime.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from PhoenixSoul in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Nirwanda Oh wow! Glad you found her/she came home.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from PhoenixSoul in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Nirwanda Oh wow! Glad you found her/she came home.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Nirwanda in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Nirwanda Loving that pic. Looks like both you and your feline friend are up to no good. You both have that cute, devious "I'm about to raise all sorts of hell" expression.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from Nirwanda in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @Nirwanda Loving that pic. Looks like both you and your feline friend are up to no good. You both have that cute, devious "I'm about to raise all sorts of hell" expression.
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    Plague Docteur got a reaction from PhoenixSylph in The Photo Booth- show your face people!   
    @PhoenixSoul Can't decide yet if that is a good response or bad one. LOL
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