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  1. What the actual fuck?




    With staff conducting themselves like this, the whole ghost town scene's starting to make perfect sense.


    I'm out like Epstein, folks. This shit is too dramatic, even for me.

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    2. Kayzee


      Trust me onesie, everyone loves our mighty bunny overload. Or at least I do! *gives kaz a big 'o snuggle* She's so cute!

    3. Animebryan


      Your wall is not for me? If you're saying I'm not welcome here then why don't you build an actual wall to keep me out?

      And just to "Rustle Your Jimmies" even further, I'm following you now 🕵️‍♂️🙂

    4. Kayzee


      I kinda wonder if that meant I was welcome here... I was never told to go away like that. I have been interacting with onesie for a while though so I guess he was used to my shenanigans. Anyway if you are still paying attention enough to read this onesie, I really do hope if you are leaving you find a fun new place and make lotsa friends and I am gonna miss you!

  2. That One NPC

    Female Commanders, Soldiers, and General Actors

    Apparently folks are terrified to be offensive, so they white-wash everything. At times it gets really hard to defend white people and cover up their ignorance. With edits, though, it's an issue of the available resources. 98% of RM characters are white.
  3. We all know this guy.


    Ernest, Oscar, whatever his RTP name is, we all know him. I recently made a Loose Leaf version of him for one of my  characters. I like how it turned out. Loose Leaf allows you to really get in there and cook up alternate outfits and such. This is a bonus for me because I am all about characters.



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    2. Kayzee


      Like I said, the way Cloud acted in Advent Children did make a degree of sense given how he was in a kind of depressive funk over everything. I just don't think Advent Children really fleshed out Cloud's character that much. What disappoints me is that Cloud is never depicted as anything but a socially awkward quiet badboy. Yeah, he is a bit of an edgelord, but that's not all there is to him is all I am saying.


      Though thinking about it, I admit that a lot of the more fleshed out characterization Cloud gets is actually stuff that happened before he was messed up. Not that he ever wasn't socially awkward and quiet, but he was much more expressive and emotional. I mean, Cloud in Crisis Core is almost an entirely different person from what he became. He really seemed to be a cute kid who's whole world came crashing down on him. So yeah, it does makes sense he became a kind of 'edgelord'. He hides himself under a false badboy persona.


      I do think there are times where that cute kid pokes his head out in after he assumes his badboy persona though, especially some of the more wacky scenes where his badboy persona kinda breaks down. Like when Cloud crossdresses. You may think it was all just a silly joke, but I think it's actually an important aspect of Cloud's characterization. The whole wall market section really shows Cloud out of his element and as much as he tries to put on his badboy face, he has no idea how to deal with what is going on. It almost makes him seem kinda adorable if you ask me. A similar thing happens during the big date sequence. When he is forced to actually deal with interpersonal relationships he kinda has no idea what he is doing.


      I guess that's really the problem as I see it. Advent Children and most of the other cameos and expanded universe stuff take Cloud very seriously, but I think Cloud is actually the most true to himself during the awkward moments where he can't fall back on his badboy persona. When he is doing nothing but fighting and trying to accomplish a mission, he really isn't too interesting.


      TL;DR: Yes, I guess he is an edgelord, but he is a well written and interesting edgelord.

    3. That One NPC

      That One NPC

      "TL;DR: Yes, I guess he is an edgelord, but he is a well written and interesting edgelord."


      I have to completely disagree. Zack Fair is interesting. Cloud is just there. He's not a bad character, he's not a good character. He's just there, right in the middle. The story line he was placed at the center of was fascinating, one of the best in all of gaming history for so many reasons, and even the characters that surrounded him were mildly interesting (nothing like FF6's cast). Cloud has nothing going for him to find interesting other than the Zack parts.



    4. Kayzee


      Well I already said why I find Cloud interesting, so I guess there is nothing left to say.


      ...Except that you're wrong! :P

  4. That One NPC

    Noob vs Newb And Why it Matters

    Experience has taught me that the vast majority of you will be too young or uninformed to understand, but I'm going to try anyway. The blatant shenanigans have gone on for far too long, and someone has to say something. I play a TPS MMO for 360 called Defiance. I don't play often anymore, but I maintain an account and a Leadership role within my respective clan. Earlier this month someone had the audacity to call me a "noob" because I don't have (or need) a supreme shield. After humiliating him not once, but twice through dueling, I proceeded to educate him in front of the entire North American server in Zone Chat. Noob is a term we frequently hear thrown around in cheap. And if you've ever taken or plan to take the time to call someone a noob, you're going to want to pay real close attention. The correct spelling is Newb. Newb as in newly registered, new to the way things work, new account, and so on. I mean after all, we'd never say, "What are you, noo?" Because that would make us look like a total foot sandwich, right? Noob, or the even rarer, more idiotic n00b, is what newbs say when they're trying to be cool. So what went wrong? An entire generation of newbs grew up, and noob became the norm... I mean, look, Donald Trump was elected President of the United States of America... It's just the age we live in, folks. Someone had to say something, because again, the shenanigans have gone on for far too long.
  5. That One NPC

    What are the current trending video games?

    One hyphenated word can sum up your question to absolute perfection: E-Sports. E-Sports Seriously, E-Sports are taking over gaming. Not that you have to be an official competitor, but the games featured by E-Sports are trending in general. Highly competitive, multiplayer games that are often team-based. You might be thinking football or soccer, but games like League of Legends, Dota 2, Hearthstone, Star Craft 2, etc. As the E-Sports world takes over like an unstoppable virus and the audiences get larger, and larger, and larger, these games are getting more exposure and players than ever before. In terms of actual trends, E-Sports games are it right now. Starcraft, Starcraft 2, any E-Sports games that have an offline mode. I don't think any offline games are actually trending right now, so Bryan's link may be your best options.
  6. That One NPC

    Help Coming up with Tiered Spell Names

    For what my two cents is worth as a player, these systems are tragically outdated. They make your spell names very bland and unexciting, making your elemental magic system seem very basic and lacking creativity. It also robs each spell of any real identity and character, outside of the animations, of course. I always love when spells evolve and change over time, because you anticipate the next spell so much more. I like spell trees that have individual spells with defining characteristics which are obvious within the name. Rather than calling the super Earth spell OmniEarth, or OmniRock (so fucking cringey) isn't it cooler and more distinguished to call it Meteor, or Comet? I also try to take advantage of individual spells by making them very unique in their nature and applications. One thing I always hated about FF style spells, for example, is that they are all the same, just costing more or less MP, dealing more or less damage. So when you get Fire 2, or Fira, Fire becomes essentially useless. But what if Fire 1 was Fireball instead? Now we can break it down on a conceptual level. It's a projectile of fire shot forth quickly by the caster. Maybe it has a lower hit% than most other fire spells, but when it lands, it has an area damage radius, burning nearby enemies in addition to the intended target. What if Fire 2 is Flare, which ignites the target in flames directly, having 0 chance of evasion, and applying the Burn status. By giving your spells that much more character, you can have a lot more fun with them, and leave each spell with a given purpose or strategy until the very end of your game. Most of you are thinking, "I can do that and use any spell name," but you might be thinking more as a dev than a player. We don't want to memorize the effects of every prefix, for every element, when you could have put just a tiny bit more thought into your spell trees. Having said all that, allow me to attempt to assist you as requested. Here are some suggested spell names for the classic elements. They may be basic or even obvious, but they will work well with various prefixes. Fire: Flare Ice: Frost Thunder: Spark, Jolt Earth: Geo Water: Wave Wind: Gale Here are some prefixes using Frost as the given example. When using this system, I would go with logic and familiarity, vs nonsensical gibberish. It will feel natural and flow much easier for the player. You'll never have someone saying to themselves or Steam friends, "Wtf is a RaFlare?" You just want people to beat and enjoy your game. Frost DyFrost TriFrost TetraFrost PentaFrost AllFrost OmegaFrost NegaFrost (The idea for this was a spell that applies damage to enemies who would normally be immune to the element, or heal from it.) OmniFrost Hope these helped give you some inspiration, at the very least.
  7. Wouldn't you think that anyone willing to sign up for an Area 51 march, would by now that Skinwalker Ranch is the new Tinfoil Graceland??


    According to the theories, Area 51 was decomissioned as an ET research site due to global exposure, and everything moved to Skinwalker Ranch, where they say the ETs have their own floors for research...


    Just proves how dumb people are.

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    2. Kayzee


      Sigh... Have you... actually been paying attention at all to what I have been saying? Am I just that bad at getting my actual point across? Okay, fine, you win! This one planet being the only planet with life is astronomically unlikely! I am a dumb dumb who doesn't know what she is talking about! Your entire worldview is completely 100% justified beyond even a tiny  shred of doubt! No possible future discovery can possibly invalidate your beliefs! No alternative explanation could possibly have any validity to it!


      I'm tired.

    3. That One NPC

      That One NPC

      I stopped reading your novels days ago, honey.


      All you want to do is argue with the odds. I checked out on Wednesday.

    4. Kayzee


      Ugh... That not what I... *flails around* Oh whatever, I tried.

  8. That One NPC

    Race Swapping In Film

    Hard to imagine when you admit to having not read them much, but they grew a lot in the last 30-40 years. Around the 80s and 90s less kids were reading so the direction for many series and character became very mature, dark even. This resulted in a lot good story lines that draw you in, and provided a lot of great character development. DC was always decidedly darker but even they started taking more risks and telling deeper stories. You'll find much of the same styles and themes as you will any form of fantasy, scifi, or fiction, just with vastly more developed characters, which has been the selling point for decades now. I'm on a new a20 phone and for some reason Ifind the keyboard so difficult, so please excuse any glaring errors.
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    Race Swapping In Film

    I wouldn't expect to see a Squirrel Girl film in the MCU. It would make a great cartoon for girls, though. She is one of those ridiculous characters most serious readers detest due to writers doing stupid shit with her that she has no business doing.She has managed to defeat some of the top villains in Marvel. To her credit, Marvel has some pretty weak villains compared to DC. Marvel seems to like making the heroes stronger than the villains. Then they use props (infinity gauntlet) or plot devices to make it seem like they won't win. It's been argued - and I think I agree - that Darkseid could beat a fully loaded Infinity Thanos. Darkseid is almost as power as the gauntlet and he has no tools. I think a Squirrel Girl movie would be where the '08 Ironman groupies would draw the line. But then again, Disney gets away with everything except Solo: A Star Wars movie. That was the hill people wanted to die on.
  10. That One NPC

    mv [Show Picture] below the Actor?

    Hey NickNick. I think this is in the wrong section, but staff will more than likely move it to the proper section. I think I understand what you mean. You want to be able to show a given image file below the sprite as it navigates maps. I'm wondering if you mean one small image like a magic glyph for example, or footsteps in sand or snow. Or if you want to make that image file the entire map itself. I don't know anything about MV so I'm afraid I won't be much help.
  11. That One NPC

    Race Swapping In Film

    Oh, I'm well aware of the shit storm surrounding Ultimate Fury, and the scrambling they did to "fix it" later on. It's essentially the same principle, though. It was a race swap, and they used the multiverse to correct it. My biggest issue with MCU Fury is that he does nothing. He had a bit of a scare in Winter Soldier where he was nearly killed by a handful of Hydra goons. I don't know how much you know about old school Fury, but let's just say it would not have gone down like that, at all. They ruined him in the MCU, and that has nothing to do with ethnicity.
  12. That One NPC

    Race Swapping In Film

    This is a crazy sensitive subject for alot of people, and rightfully so. I need to be perfectly clear about my stance here. I am not opposed to more ethnic representation in media as a whole. There's nothing that bothers me more on a human level than racism and exclusion. And I understand that media has been bias toward white males since the dawn of time - and it has to change. I don't, however, think simple race swaps are the answer here. For me it's not about the inclusion. It's fantastic that ethnic groups finally get to see themselves represented front and center. It's about damn time! Here's my beef with generic race swaps. When you take an iconic caucasian character, and simply say, "Eh, just make him/her Aftican American. Problem solved. Next please!" That, to me, is lazy, cheap, and offensive. Again people are so happy it's happening they probably don't think of it that way. But it's such a white privlage angle that it makes my soul sick. Instead of building ethnic characters with ethnic roots and influences, from the ground up, they take a pre-existing character and just give them a new ethnicity with a new backstory... Way to take inclusion seriously, Hollywood. It really bothers me when the characters have a distinct heritage. Italian, Irish, Russian, etc. These aren't generic brands of "White folk." They have identities, cultures, and pride of their own. Take a few recent animes that were whitewashed during the casting process for no other reason than to stack star power. Total chaos. People were having meltdowns. Take an iconic Italian American character and make him Black, who cares? Italians have no sense of pride or identity in that character. Step aside. Of course I'm talking about Nick Fury. Loved him growing up. To be perfectly clear - and burst a few bubbles - Sam J. is one of my top actors of all time. I call him Sam J. because I never shut the fuck about him when movies come up in conversation. I idolize Samuel and his career. But it's not about Sam, it's about Nick Fury. Did I really care? No, but it's the principle. Instead of creating ethnic characters, writers take the easiest way out and just pull race swaps. It bothers me because people deserve better. They deserve to have more characters like Black Panther who they can look up to and say, "This is T'Challa. He is who he has always been. A strong, dignified, upright black male." Rather than, "This is Nick Fury. He used to be Italian, but they had to throw us a bone." Just my thoughts on something Hollywood keeps getting away with due to the distraction of initial excitement. Don't we deserve better? (We as in a collective humanity. I'm French-Lithuanian, lol.)
  13. If Elizabeth Warren doesn't win the next US Presidential election I'm taking the last shred of hope for Americans, and I'm flushing it straight down the toilet. Anyone but Trump, really. If Donald gets another four, it will prove beyond the shadow of a doubt your government and media have manipulated you beyond repair. And that you've become a self-centered society that cares about nothing but your own reality bubbles.


    Seriously, it's not funny or cute or sad anymore, it has become problematic. To more than America and the ethnic countries it routinely steamrolls.


    The American people have been so warped and abused by their own systems that they have no idea what's going on anymore. Reality is subjective in America today.


    The government has done such a good job of dividing people based on political affiliation (this is the #1 problem in America) race, wealth, home state, etc, that America will never bounce back at this point. It's built in at a cultural and moral level. Republican vs Democrat. Despite the fact that their agendas have always been the same. They distract you with shit like immigrarion and abortion, because they know it turns you all into a pack of wild animals who argue with each other instead of elected officials. Instead of rallying together to make change. Hard to rally together when you're just a collection of states forced to live under one Union.


    I look at Hong Kong and it's like, "What the actual fuck happened to the Americas?" (Canada too)


    Just disgusted with humanity right now. I think an international migration might be in my future. So many better places to live right now.



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    2. That One NPC

      That One NPC



      Warren admires First Nations peoples so much, she tried to become one.


      Trump hates Mexicans so much (like the ones who work for him) that he called them dirty rapists and criminals who steal jobs. He wants to build a wall to keep them out, and keeps children in cages.


      Who would you trust more to be in power?


      Put aside her past mistakes, and actually listen to her plans for the economy, the environment, education, etc.


      The issue is Americans no longer care what happens to immigrants, or people two States over, or to America as a whole. If it doesn't directly impact me, I can't afford to care. This is 100% by design. The one thing goverments fear more than anything is a unified, pissed off population looking to them for answers.


      There was a time when civil war was a real concept. America will never see another civil war. They've been proverbially castrated and don't even realize it because the entire system is an illusion.


      The only two presidents who even remotely gave a damn about people and ethics, were shot in the head.

    3. Kayzee


      I think the thing the government should really fear is not a unified pissed off population looking to the government for answers, but a apathetic slightly annoyed population that already has it's own answers and is just sick of paying for a government that doesn't offer them anything and just wants them out of the way. Because eventually that's what is going to happen at this rate.


      Heck I would say the biggest problem is people care too much about what happens to immigrants, or people two States over, or America as a whole. Everyone is trying to tell everyone else what to do. Here's an idea: Maybe, just maybe, people have different wants and needs and expecting everyone in an area the size of the USA to just go along with everyone else is really really dumb? Maybe, you know, it's okay that for example some people don't want immigrants around them while others are more then willing to offer them sanctuary?


      And regarding another civil war: Yeah, you are right. America will never see another civil war. Because the first one never ended. People are fighting about the same old shit as they were back then. The scar that opened then never really healed. Now there is just slightly less actual violence involved. Slightly.

    4. PixeLockeT


      @Animebryan Yeah, strongly agreed. The problem is that nearly every potential candidate (and honestly every one that has even a slight chance at winning) is just one who will screw up more and who is ultimately selfish in their goals. Voting is one of the most overrated things anyway and the way the USA is set up - individuals votes rarely matter in the scheme of things, making voting a moot point for anyone going "against the grain".

  14. You know, you're right, Brian. My spelling and* grammar can be a bit fucked up at times. It was never flawless, but having taken a six year break from creative writing to work six days a week to keep the lights on, it has suffered. Like anything else, if you don't use it, you lose it.


    In order for you to even try to understand, I'd need to give you my life story and I am not about to spill those details to the likes of you, Chief. I will give you the long and short of it, though.


    I have no shortage of mistakes made. No shortage of life lived. It's taken me a very, very long time to embrace my failures and find value in myself in a world that measures humam beings based on trivial bullshit.


    I have a grade 9 education. Four grade 10 credits. Go ahead, look down on me. You've already done so, and it happens to be something I'm intimately familiar with. You see, I got in alot of trouble as a yute (that means youth). I had things going on that were never addressed. Instead I became a hot potato kid. The slightest mis-step, and I was goneski! Shipped off to the next home, sometimes even the streets.


    So I got wise to the system I was trapped in. I left school and went to work anywhere I could. I was going to take care of my-damn-self, because no one else would...


    It's so easy to sit behind a screen and judge people, Bryan, but it's a shitty, ignorant practice that will only make you look like a heavyweight asshat.


    Best of luck with whatever it is you do, Buddy.

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      That One NPC

      It's still very much a work in progress, but the plot I'm cooking up is heavily inspired by (but not aiming to directly emulate) FF7's life stream and living planet concepts. I also want to tie political themes in that are somewhat current. The scope of the protests in Hong Kong, and the immigration war in the States have inspired me as well.


      I'm thinking of a world much like our own. Many countries which are closed off from one another. Many species facing extinction due to human activity. Pollution ravaging the air, soil, and oceans. Humanity has disconnected from spirituality, burning their dead like household garbage instead of returning them to the planet. (I have a real world issue with burning dead. It's violent and unnatural. The process of decay exists for a reason imo.)


      One nation in particular will the native land of several main characters, and it will be in turmoil, under the leadership of a charismatic, racist politician. One character among them will have an uncanny understanding of the lost spirituality I spoke of. More or less the local doomsayer, and looked upon by many as little more than a lunatic.


      The selfish, materialistic lifestyle of humanity abroad is destroying society and nature. One thing I've been thinking about and trying to reconcile conceptually is making monsters able to go exinct if the player kills too many of them. Some monsters will be evil and malicious by nature that won't go exinct. The idea I'm playing with is that tje disconnect from spirituality has either angered their Goddess, or attracted a nefarious sort of energy that is amplifying all the bad aspects of life and humanity. This results in the malicious monsters showing up.


      For the exinct monsters, I've been thinking about a monster behavior/mood system for normal monsters. So sometimes a creature might be just roaming peacefully, other times you might find one that's hungry or hunting, and therefor on the attack. The player's actions in battle ccould change the creatures mood.


      I also want to put in a system that allows the player to help protect or restore populations. Maybe taking eggs to a conservation facility or something. Maybe it could be as easy as not killing them for awhile.


      It's all a work in progess as I said. The main focus starting out is the premise.


      For me it's all about how you set things up and guide the player through the narrative. If you throw things in their face, they might shut down on you. I think you've got to lead the player there over time.

    3. Rikifive


      That kinda reminds me of some games, that take place in the future. The future is quite often shown as a world destroyed by humanity, whether due to a war or just human activity like you mentioned. Speaking of these things, I think I wouldn't be surprised if our future would end up like this. It's a shame how destructive humanity is.


      This does sound legit and interesting to be honest.



      For me it's all about how you set things up and guide the player through the narrative. If you throw things in their face, they might shut down on you. I think you've got to lead the player there over time.

      Yeah, that's what I had in mind from some point of view earlier. Sounds like you know what you're doing.


      Well then, so it's pretty much now a matter of inspiration and motivation, that you have to do your best to not lose in the process. Good luck!

    4. That One NPC

      That One NPC

      I've always been more of an idea guy than a developer. That's been my challenge. My games usually outgrow my ability to develop them. I would rather put them on ice than butcher them. ^_^

  15. Elazul: The Misunderstood Jumi


    Several decades ago, Square released an RPG called Legend of Mana. One of the prominent aspects of the game aside from the visuals and bravery, was the ensemble cast of NPC characters. Each of them was truly unique and memorable. But in a game full of idyllic, cookie-cutter characters that aimed to create a fairy tale atmosphere, I have to appreciate the one character with true complexity. Elazul.


    As a teenager playing the game around the time of its North American release, I hated Elazul. I thought he was a bully, and a sincerely bad person who cared about no one but himself, and Pearl by proxy. Now, as a much older, wiser man, I see Laz for exactly what he is.


    Before you can understand Elazul (and embrace his faults), you must first understand two things: The Jumi, and Pearl.


    The Jumi were a special race of humanoid beings with magical gems, or 'cores' that grant them life. Think of the human heart, pumping lifeblood through the body. Centuries ago the city of Jumi was destroyed, leaving the few remaining Jumi to roam the world of Fa'Diel. The outside world took notice of the precious gem cores of the Jumi. They became a desired prize for collectors and jewelers. The only problem? Without a core, a Jumi will fade away and die. In the words of Elazul, the outside world treats them as 'walking jewelry' to be hunted, like elephants for their ivory.


    The Jumi are an endangered species, who are hunted for their very life source. This is important, but the next thing you have to understand is Pearl, another Jumi.


    Elazul is Pearl's Knight. It's his sworn duty to protect her, and he cares for her like a sister, or even a lover. Pearl grapples with certain challenges like anxiety, shyness and memory loss. At a glance, one could almost deduce that she is developmentally challenged; having the intellect of a small child. Throughout the game, the player finds themselves assisting Elazul in finding Pearl across various locations with no shortage of danger close behind. All of this plays directly into his character, and manifests through his rough, scaly exterior.


    Elazul can summed up perfectly in several words. Compromise and sacrifice.


    Elazul has been hardened by a world that only sees him as 'walking jewelry'. His only purpose is protect Pearl; Keep her safe from danger, which she always seems to be drawn toward. He compromises himself in order to make sure she is safe. He acts tough, talks tough, and will sacrifice his reputation and relationships with others in order to make sure Pearl is fre from pain, suffering, even death.


    In order to really see the true Elazul, you have to bring him along when you do the Flame of Hope quest in Gato Grottos. This is the quest where Sandra the Jewel hunter kills a Jumi named Reubens. Only here do you really get to see a glimpse of what makes Elazul tick. He wants to find the remaining Jumi that are scattered across Fa'Diel, to rebuild and live together once again. His people have become the priority, however immoral that may be, you've got to have some empathy in order to forgive his shortcomings by recognizing the root causes. In a perfect world, Laz could be the white knight. Fa'Diel, however, is far from a fairy tale for the Jumi. Just ask Reubens.


    I love Elazul because he feels like a real character. you've got to work around his difficulty in order to understand him. I appreciate characters that require that level of work and understanding. Elazul in of himself is sort of like a quest.


    This post was inspired by a recent conversation I had with a site member. They had said every character was so special and charming (very true) except Laz, who is just a prick. It kinda made me sad because that is his character at face value: Just a prick. But to me he is a tragic figure, and a troubled man who deserves peace, happiness, and forgiveness. Everything he does is for Pearl, even he is a bit misguided and aggressive at times.

    1. Kayzee


      I was mostly joking you know. :3 Yeah, he isn't that bad once you get to know him. I mean, he's still a prick but it's understandable why. Though depending on how you interoperate the story,  it could be argued that he is purposefully trying to make Pearl dependent on him so he can continue being her knight. Kind of an assholish thing to do if he is. But even so, ya gotta pity the guy at least a little. He does so much for Pearl as a knight... and then when Lady Blackpearl joins up and completely upstages him and makes him redundant. I mean Lady Blackpearl kinda does that to every other party member (she's definitely the 'Thunder God Cid' of the game), but with Elazul it's personal.


      Though like I said, that's kinda up for interpretation. If I remember correctly I don't think they ever really sat down and explained some of the details about what's going on with those three.