OK I'm having a few issues with things on this forum in general

[tx3000 1]

Getting right into it here are my issues.

 

Like every forum that contains tutorials, the actual instructions for things that are needed, are nowhere to be found and whenever a topic like this is created pointing that out, the creator (Which would be me in thsi case) is met with all sorts of nonsense and replies left just to piss them off. Do not tell anyone to Google it, because the forum is for answers dont' tell someone to leave a place that is supposed to be giving you an answer to go find the answer, do not say search this forum or anything else because there are no instructions for anything I"m asking about.

 

If there is a script, then the instructions for what the script actually does, how to impliment it into RPG maker and or how to activate it once it's in there is SUPPOSED TO BE with the script itself.

 

For example I found the free movement script, however what exactly does that script even do? Define free movement. I downloaded and launched the game that it was set up with and I fail to see what it does. The movement for things in the game is exactly the same as a test that I did...So again everyone is talking about the script itself, but not one person in that entire topic or any other topic on this forum that exaplins what that script is for, how to know it's working, or most importantly how to take the script and actually put it into your own RPG maker and why you would do that...And basically everything that you have to know is nowhere to be found.

 

Next is RUBY

I read what it does but I fail to see how that is any different that play testing. Again like scripts on this forum, there is nothing about what exactly you have to do with the script itself. Do you copy and past the script anywhere, if so where? Does it get put into RPG maker itself then launched or not..If so how. If not is it a random program that runs in teh background. Sorry but all the information that is actually needed IS nowhere to be found.

 

If things like this are going to be advertised for download then make sure the instructions about how to work it, use it how to get it working are all included.

 

I don't need to go somewhere else and be forced to spend 2 hours looking for something when I'm not even sure what I'm even looking for or why only to find out in the end I'm still right back to where I started from.

 

And for the record I have already been to the ruby site, and there is nothing there that even remotely explains how to inpliment the script/program or whatever it is, it into RPG maker...And it's not just with RUBY either it's with any other program/script for that matter...All I ever read when people tell me to go to somewhere else or google it what something does and people commenting on how good it works and fixes in the scripts....That does nothing because nothing about how to get it up and running or how to activate it or anything is exaplained. And for the record if something is explained then the information is spoon fed to the person reading it not complex terms that people think is explained and people think that things like this are school and college courses.

 

 

It's not that hard to post the following information with the script (This information should be with the ruby page on this forum):

 

Here is what the script does and it is used for.

Now Here is the script now Here is exactly what you need to do with the script and where this script gets place and this is hwo you do that

Now this is how to activate and use it the script once you implimented it.

 

As I already said, people want to offer the scripts but then the only discussion is how great the script works and changes but there is nothing about how to take the script itself and impliment it into RPG maker and then activate and use it and how to tell it's working.

 

I'm glad people think something works, that doesn't mean anything if someone like myself have no clue what to do with the script. And I dont' need to go to any other place on this forum or anywhere else on the internet to read things that won't help..and again I'm glad that people learned what to do by reading...I'm not other people and I dont' need to know all teh ins and outs of anything, I only need to know how to impliment something and how to get it up and running. If I want to know and understand anything on the details on how it actually works then i will read that after...but I don't need to know any of that for someone to say this

 

Here is what the script does and it is used for.

Now Here is the script now Here is exactly what you need to do with the script and where this script gets place and this is how you do that

Now this is how to activate and use it the script once you implimented it.

 

The internet is not school or college courses.

[Darkanine 116]

 

Here is what the script does and it is used for.

Now Here is the script now Here is exactly what you need to do with the script and where this script gets place and this is hwo you do that

Now this is how to activate and use it the script once you implimented it.

Almost every script I've seen does that,I'm not quite sure what you're having trouble with.

[Neverward 210]

Hey, I read all this and feel you have legitimate concerns and issues, however I'd say the biggest thing I noticed is that your complaints are about the RPG Maker community at large, and in no way are about this forum really. It's not the forums' fault that the explanations you get are not detailed enough (or exist for that matter)  it is in the hands of the script writer how detailed their instructions are, and there is no regulation for how these people (who are giving their free time and work away to the community) should post their work. I agree that often being directed elsewhere is frustrating and does go against the purpose of a helpful forum, however this is a result of others not knowing the answers either, and the very effective script writers and helpers are often quite busy with their own work, so it may take a while to get a satisfactory response.

 

While I agree more instructions would be nice you should try and realize that the community here is made to help, and give allot of free time and effort into doing so, providing free resources/scripts/etc. and you may not always find exactly what you want because the RPG Maker community isn't that huge. Trial and error is the way to figure things out, and patience.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Neverward

[Galv 1,386]

Welcome to the forums. Before I start I'd like to point out this is a community forum, nobody here is paid or works for the makers of rpgmaker. We're all just members who try to help each other out. Nobody is obligated to help, nobody is entitled to get help - we all just help each other out in our own time.

 

Like every forum that contains tutorials, the actual instructions for things that are needed, are nowhere to be found and whenever a topic like this is created pointing that out, the creator (Which would be me in thsi case) is met with all sorts of nonsense and replies left just to piss them off. Do not tell anyone to Google it, because the forum is for answers dont' tell someone to leave a place that is supposed to be giving you an answer to go find the answer, do not say search this forum or anything else because there are no instructions for anything I"m asking about.

I'm a little confused at your post as you haven't actually posted for any assistance here yet. I recommend try asking in the support forums anything you are not sure of how to do - I have found people here to be very helpful.

 

If there is a script, then the instructions for what the script actually does, how to impliment it into RPG maker and or how to activate it once it's in there is SUPPOSED TO BE with the script itself.

Nothing is 'SUPPOSED TO BE THERE'. Community members make scripts and let you use them for free. They aren't obligated to do that and you aren't obligated to use their scripts. Most scripters add instructions at the top of their work assuming that the user has basic knowledge of things like where to put the script and what a script call is.

If you do have issues with a script, I recommend you try asking in the script support forum for help. It gets easier once you know the basics

 

Next is RUBY

...

Ruby is the programming language that rpgmaker is written in. If you learn that coding language you can write scripts. Like any language, learning it is a very big thing - the majority of people don't. You don't need to know it to use rpgmaker. Looking up ruby won't help you add someone's script into rpgmaker.

 

The internet is not school or college courses.

Every single person in this community has been in your shoes and learned the same way - with tutorials, asking questions in the forum and yes google college.

I recommend if you have any questions, try asking in the support forums for the answers.

[ZombieBear 66]

When you open VX Ace there is a line right at the top left that has the word 'help'; click it and then click contents. This will bring up the giant help guide that comes with Ace. I'm not saying this to be sarcastic, but I am aware that it may sound that way. Whenever you can't figure something out by doing it yourself then read the help section that covers what you are having problems with.

 

Sure, you'll still have problems with trying to understand scripts, especially if you don't learn ruby, but that's already been addressed. I also think that you are going to find in the time you spend using this program that learning to make a game is EXACTLY like a college course. Game designers go to school for years to learn how to make games; you're trying to do it with out instructors, books, labs or anything of that nature. It's intensive, and it requires a lot of commitment; no one is going to 'spoon feed' you but you.

 

That being said the community here is enormously helpful; if you do have a problem trying to understand something just post away and you'll have people helping you, though it will no doubt require more reading and tinkering... and who knows, maybe even that dreaded google search.

[Tsukihime 1,487]

Examples of such scripts?

I've seen several that could be better but nothing comes to mind.

 

As I already said, people want to offer the scripts but then the only discussion is how great the script works and changes but there is nothing about how to take the script itself and impliment it into RPG maker and then activate and use it and how to tell it's working.

If there is no discussion on how to get it to work, then either

 

1. no one's using it (and they only like what they're reading), or

2. no one's having trouble with it

 

If you want discussion on how to use a script, then you ask questions on how the script should be installed and used, and maybe someone will give you further instructions or clarifications.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Tsukihime

[Polidoro 104]

Just for arguments sake, can you post a link to a script that your referring to? I wanted to help you out by looking through your content and tackling each question you posted in other areas on this forum but the only other post you have so far is a post that basically refers back to this one, explaining the same issues without any real examples. PM me even if you feel this isn't the right place to discuss such things. Basically, help us help you rather than getting upset that everyone who posts free works of art hasn't gone even more above and beyond to tailor specifically to your needs.

 

why are you getting so upset about not knowing information on something when you clearly have yet to do any real research on the matter for yourself? How did you make the connection that Ruby is the same as playtesting? Because that one line has me scratching my head bad.

Edited September 25, 2013 by polidoro

[tx3000 1]

If you need any help on Victor's you can pm me. I've created a retro FF battle system using his scripts and have set up about 35 of them. I've also got some Yanfly scripts working with them for some extra functionality, mainly the Lunatic scripts. Victor does require you to contact him and purchase a license if you want to use his stuff commercially, but I'd say it's worth it, especially since you will be able to create your own art assets (which is totally awesome!) and have a shot at finishing a commercial game.

 

I love how people continue saying they USED scripts or there are a lot of scripts people upload for people to use. All of that is useless Here is a video that explains why and how a script someone uploads is useless without instructions

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Edited September 25, 2013 by tx3000

[Xypher 176]

This is simple if you don't know what a script does or how to use it, don't use it.

[Galv 1,386]

@tx3000, I moved your post to this topic as you posted it in the wrong place.

 

Because you made a video reply it is far too difficult to reply to your individual points. You said many things that made no sense to me and I can tell you are upset, but please refrain from calling people 'clowns' or getting aggressive toward other members.

 

I think the reason why nobody has answered any specific questions is because this is a discussion on how horrible and useless scripts are and that scripters shouldn't post their scripts and the question was lost in here.

 

I'm going to repeat what I said several times in my post. If you don't understand something... ask in the support forum. That's where people help others. You introduce yourself with a large rant on how bad we all are for not doing things how you expect them done... when your question would have been solved if opened a support topic and asked it. That's how it works here for everyone and I apologise if I am a little blunt in retort to your aggressive stance but if you need help here, that's how it works for you, too.

 

The support forum can be found here:

http://www.rpgmakervxace.net/forum/56-rpg-maker-vx-ace/

 

And while it seems you have something against using google, I found this official how-to-use scripts tutorial that might be of interest with one search:

http://blog.rpgmakerweb.com/tutorials/insert-scripts/

[Jonnie91 1,149]

Here's your instructions: 

 

1."You click on a thread in which there is a script that you wish to use.

2. You read the information that is on the script page. if it has no information well, that's not our damn problem

3. You copy the script, by highlighting the script itself, or perhaps if the script developer is kind enough they've made you a demo

4. If you have had to copy and paste the script you then open up your script editor. 

4. Then you select the script that says....wait for it. INSERT HERE! 

5. Then...guess what. you click the bigger box, where the script is actually placed. highlight all of the bits of information which teaches you HOW to paste scripts and then. you PASTE your script into it. 

6. Click Enter. 

7. The script is NOW installed -claps-

8. Now you do something called read the instruction on the topic which WILL tell you how to use the script, I have not found ONE script which doesn't have some kind of instruction. if it DOESN'T have some kind of instruction, it normally means it's plugin and play, in other words you don't need to change anything!

 

 

 

In addition, the RPG Maker engine itself is NOT made in ruby (well not as far as I know) . there is a SCRIPTING engine, INSIDE of it which runs a TYPE of ruby called RGSS if you read the help file that comes WITH the software you'd understand this. 

 

We may not be a college or a school, but we are NOT required to tell you every single bit of information you wanna know at all times. we are not your personal tutor, 

now. if you'd had approached us in a calmer less aggressive way, you'd be more likely to receive a positive response, but getting shitty with everyone because you can't read the user manual or type a few words into Google to find your information, 

 

Everyone else learnt through using Google and reading the damn Instruction manual. why can't you? 

[Tsukihime 1,487]

I sat through 6 minutes of your video and this is what I've concluded: you don't know how to use the program (or specifically, scripts), and you are not asking questions either.

 

All of my scripts say

 

** Installation

 

Place this script below Materials and above Main.

If you have no idea "What the hell do to with it", don't accuse me of not writing instructions how to install it.

 

No idea what "Materials" and "main" are? Instead of complaining on a completely different part of the forum that is not even related to scripts, you should be asking "what the hell are Materials and Main?"

 

If you don't like people directing you to irrelevant places on the internet, I don't like people posting questions in irrelevant places on the internet either. It's not my job to have to go search for help threads about any of my own scripts when the script release thread is available.

 

I guess if I don't want to provide such customer service to provide support for my stuff I could just not bother uploading it because users such as yourself are too proud to ask questions or feel that you are entitled to have all of the information readily available and completely understandable to you, but my audience is not people that refuse to learn new things and ask questions because "the internet is not school", they are people that are serious about making a game.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Tsukihime

[Riff 62]

Well, I feel like it's ganking on a corpse but after listening to that video I just can't keep it to myself :

 

Sir, you're a jerk. Period (as you seem to like this word)

 

Now, on a tad more constructive side :

 

1. Yes scripts comes with instructions, sometimes scripters rewrite the instructions in the post they made to present the script. But sometimes, they don't, you can think they're wrong if that make your day bearable. But guess what, in every scripts, every last one of them, that I've read (and god I've read loads of them to learn scripting) there were instructions in the script, at the very start of the text file, you know between the stuff you probably thought was useless like 'Credits', 'Compatibility', 'Description'...

 

2. You say you want to know how to use Ruby to tweak your game but you don't want to learn a scripting language (Ruby) ? So basically it's like wanting to edit a painting without knowing how to hold a brush beforehand. You either have to learn Ruby if you really want to know how to "tweak the maker" or you don't and you have to be satisfied with already written scripts.

 

3. I don't really know how a community can help you if you don't post a single question. RM community is amazing yes but sadly there're very few psychics in it. Got a problem ? Do like everyone here post in the support section ! And because people aren't your personal buttlers they won't answer your question if you can easily find the answer yourself (like in the newly made FAQ)

 

4. That may be rude and you clearly stated that you don't like it but if you don't know how to import scripts I'd recommend reading/viewing tutorials or opening the help files provided with your game. (double-click on the icon of your RPG Maker VX Ace game, wait for the game to be loaded, press the F1 button (upper-left corner on the right of the ESC. button) and wirte down script)

 

5. People simply can't explain everything from square one, so scripters/eventers/advanced tuts writers have to assume you have a minimum knowledge basis.

 

6. When asking for help don't frigging insult everyone, that's like shooting firefighters when your house's on fire !

[tx3000 1]

This topic PROVES people either can't help, or refuse to do so, then claim they helped and all people would rather do is waste my time instead of helping.

 

Here is a VERY quick video reply to GALV AND JONNIE9 and then I'm done talking about this:

 

 

It's very simple, if people don't want to be spoken to like this, then quit purposely posting replies that don't even do anything, repeating what I said, and just outright going out of their way to purposely piss me off, and then actually have the fucking balls to complain about how they're being talked to. Are you guys kidding me. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU GUYS.

For a forum that claims they help people, everyone has done NOTHING to do so. And now It's pointless to keep this topic opened, because If anyone was going to help then they already would have, instead of posting all the bullshit they did.

Edited September 25, 2013 by tx3000

[Riff 62]

You complain that nobody answer your questions but you don't have questions !!! "Implementing Ruby to evolve your game" means nothing, how can we help if we don't understand what's the problem ?

 

I won't comment on the last part of your video as it just shows that there's something wrong inside of your head.

[kaz 1,338]

Here is a VERY quick video reply to GALV AND JONNIE9 and then I'm done talking about this:

 

 

So how dare ANYONE complain about my replies towards people. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU GUYS.

 

I'll make this really simple. if people don't want to be spoken to like this, then quit purposely posting replies that don't even do anything, repeating what I said, and just outright going out of their way to purposely piss me off, and then actually have the fucking balls to complain about how they're being talked to. Are you guys kidding me.

 

It's funny how no one has still explained anything or actually addressed ANYTHING I posted.

 

I'm done talking about this now because no one wants to help anyway so it's pointless to keep this topic opened.

Being as every single reply has given you advice, and told you about the SUPPORT threads- where funny enough you get answers for your problems, and the fact that you still do not seem to even understand 

 

1) How these communities work- guess what everyone helps each other 

 

2) How to learn to actually reply in a polite manner

 

This forum is not the place for someone with attitude like that and therefore take a holiday- courtesy of the Admin Staff (a permanent one)

[Polidoro 104]

This whole topic is full of replys dressing what your talking about. im not even going to watch them videos because this whole thing is crazy. are you joking with everyone? You have yet to ask any specific question (via text) like a normal, respectable user. ask a question if you want answers. not start a rant-topic about nobody helping you when you haven't even posted a single thing before hand.

this is insane.....

[kaz 1,338]