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Yeah; MV is a great platform, but it seems to be too much of a learning curve for those that only knew Ruby.

 

Speaking of, here's a fact about Ruby that will make your heads spin.

 

Ruby is itself Open source and public domain; no bit of code that is strictly Ruby-based can be copyrighted, including commentary. I looked into this, and there are a lot of scripts that have invalid conditions of use. I'm not going to name any specifics, but it does mean that if I myself were to write scripts and have a massive amount of restrictions on usage (which I will never), I absolutely, under no uncertain terms, have no recourse to enforce those or punishments for such, nor does any other Ruby script writer.

Now, it might be an asshole move to go against the wishes of the original script writer, but whether that is so is absolutely subjective, and certain things like QoL fixes being restricted for nitpicky reasons is an asshole move on the part of the original script writer. So, why bother implementing them. No, better yet, SCREW THAT. 🤣

Now, as far as the Yanfly scandal goes, I don't know if JS has the same open source licensing as Ruby does, but if it does, then what Yanfly did is absolutely illegal. I believe felony levels of illegality would be involved, though I'm not sure. Of course, I only mention this because there are those who don't like it when something made available to everyone is being hoarded and paywalled, but the legality of it to me means nothing, though the immorality of it does, and oh yeah, Yanfly absolutely crossed the line, no turning back because that bridge is completely burned. Ya screwed up big time, bunny bubs. Just be glad you didn't do the same to your VX Ace scripts, because then there'd be torches and pitchforks with your name on them, lolz

As far as emulation goes, emulation in itself is fine, nothing wrong, illegal or even immoral about it (I mean, DOSBOX was developed in part by the original DOS code writers as are many other emulators and that doesn't include official releases of emulation i.e. PS2/PS3/X360/Wii/etcetera emulators of previous generation games). Also, ROM/ISO dumps are fine if you have and/or had at some point the original copy (with proof of purchase for the latter), but dumping/archiving these is still 'illegal', even with the long since deprecated consoles and computers, with a few exceptions (all Commodore computers are exempt from this and by a formal request to make the source code public domain a little while back-there are other examples but Commodore is one I know of for certain which is awesome honestly).

All these ROM sites being sued are being sued only by Nintendo of America, WITHOUT NINTENDO OF JAPAN'S BLESSINGS. Yeah, that's right; Nintendo of America is and has been going against the wishes of the parent company, but there's a long history behind this, and it goes back to the second world war. Ya see, there's no doubt that the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, with the promise of a full-scale invasion if Japan were not to surrender, would absolutely happen again, though the methods may differ this much time later, it would still be because the Empire of Japan dared go back on their word that they'd never go after the United States in any way, shape or form.

However, I'd love to see Nintendo of Japan interfere, and force them dumbasses at Nintendo of America to stop their stupid, pointless and harmful (not to mention greedy and avaricious) lawsuits against people. I'd love to see that. They won't, unless something bad happens to them and they must, but yeah.

Microsoft chose to make Windows free to use, well, for Windows 10 anyway. Of course, one still has to pay for a license but can do so whenever, however, it's the microtransaction business model being used. Eh, it is what it is. Costs are going up, greed is rampant, and all anyone can do, is let it, because saying anything against it, will get you locked in a damn cage.

This was a thread about script writers vanishing, but became politically charged quick. Imagine in the nearer future, people will read this, and see how horrifying having mortal-written laws truly is. #NeverAgain

@Kayzee The Orwellian Hellscape? Oh, that's already a thing. Has been for a while now. In 92 years, it'll be 2112, and life as depicted in that audio novella by Rush back in 1976 is looking a lot like life now in 2020. The Temples of Syrinx are every damn where, and the location of one of them is:
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington DC, 20500-0005

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20 hours ago, PhoenixSoul said:

Ruby is itself Open source and public domain; no bit of code that is strictly Ruby-based can be copyrighted, including commentary. I looked into this, and there are a lot of scripts that have invalid conditions of use. I'm not going to name any specifics, but it does mean that if I myself were to write scripts and have a massive amount of restrictions on usage (which I will never), I absolutely, under no uncertain terms, have no recourse to enforce those or punishments for such, nor does any other Ruby script writer.

 

That's... not how public domain works. In fact public domain is kind of the exact opposite. Public domain means basically no protection at all, where anyone can take it and copyright a version of it themselves if they wish. Most open source software isn't public domain for that exact reason. they use 'copyleft' licenses instead. Also sorry to break it to you but the license of the language doesn't typically effect the license of things written in it. ... Actually I am not even sure programing languages actually fall under the domain of copyright, they might fall under the domain of patents instead, which is a whole other mess. The Ruby Interpreter would I think but that's a different situation.

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In terms of a patent then if something is out in the public domain then it can't be patented. Even if it's the creator that wants to patent it.

 

Just to jump into this mid way but going back to the initial topic, I did notice a massive different of people learning a new language. Compared to XP where there wasn't a month that went by where people were hosting their own tutorials on learning basics to advanced examples in engine. 

It's not a case of there's a lot of people retiring, it's that there wasn't many. People move onto different things all the time, problem here seems to be there's only been a couple of public people doing it. Granted there may be a lot of people know and use such things but distribution freely seems scarce.

 

 

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I'd redact what I stated due to it being stated under the throes of 2AM SYNDROME, but too little too damn late...

 

It still seems like a massive learning curve jumping from Ruby to JS...

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Can a scripter or plugin maker be criticized for erecting a paywall to keep his or her products under his or her control?

Of course they do! People can do that at any point. Yet, in those cases where the average folk managed to grab a script before there was a need to pay for that code, there is no need to go back to the scripter and pay him or her for that. That does not allow anyone to redistribute that piece of code. It meant that it was free for YOU to download it back then but not anymore.

Whenever you need to go through a trial to expose somebody for committing plagiarism, you need to either prove that they obtained the code illegally, like by being distributed underground without the creator's or owner's consent, or that it includes LARGE portions of code that were produced or published by the original author or publisher before anybody else could do so.

Under such conditions, Enterbrainless could have accused many people of plagiarizing several lines of their code over the years. Nonetheless, the license was permissive enough to let us do so on a daily basis if we owned the product, meaning nobody would be persecuted for doing so. In fact, EB even "stole" some code from fellow scripters when they mimicked the concept of the Scene_Base class. Why could they do so freely? Because the terms of the SDK project were permissive.

Yes, those poor users or forumers that never got a chance to check them out for free have to pay the price for those that recklessly distributed those scripts. Vices and bad habits have nasty consequences for other people, like it or not. Plus, what is wrong for asking for some money for a product you have created / developed on your own?

It is like saying that Celianna cannot demand money from people for using her tilesets. I am not defending her or the like, but we all got to admit that she is a talented tileset maker. This does not mean that she particularly produces tilesets fit for immediate use in VX Ace or later installments of the Maker. I have bought one of hers that certainly need some editing. That does not allow us to say that she scammed anybody, I still got several tilesets after all. Even so I would support anybody's claim that she can or needs to improve her product's QA process. After all, leaving a good impression on customers always matter in the business world.

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Try looking at the time the last post was made before you go and necropost on a two year old thread, dweeb.

Also I don't blame Celianna for charging for her resources. My beef with her is her using her political power to lie and swindle, she basically outright lied and called me a plagiarist, see below video for evidence to the contrary, and is a human being with an ugly personality and a horrible mindset.

I also never blamed Yanfly for paywalling his scripts, although to be fair, they'd still be free if not for some assholes that tried to tear him down because he is an altruist who didn't mind making scripts for free. But see, that kinda made it hard for anyone else to do so, so two unkind gremlins tried to ruin that so they could put a monetary value on their own scripts and ruin the free market for everyone.

As for why so many of the old time MV coders left, it's because of shitty treatment like this. Egos were an ugly thing, especially of certain individuals like victor sant. The whole thing was a mess and many were happy to just wash their hands of the sordid matter and get real paying jobs instead of trying to do right by a community that never once appreciated them.

Tl;dr: Don't expect coders to stick around when you treat them like shit. I'm not a coder myself,. this is just what I have observed on several occasions.

Edited by Remi-Chan

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I do recall a time when dunno who was, Wulfo perhaps, who mentioned that Victor Sant had been trolled by some guys upto a point where he changed his nickname and his website, etc.

Why would a scripter or coder become so "selfish" or proud?

You already mentioned one of the reasons in your post, but the other one is the survival strategy. They start believing that being real asses will help them survive the number of harassers, people demanding him to do CUSTOM changes on his or her code, plus all those commissioning him or her for crafting new scripts and improving some old code. Honestly, it kind of works in several virtual life scenarios to keep most of them at bay.

Were some of them real crybabies? Probably yes, and yes, their personalities still play a large role there as well. I still do recall when I interacted with SephirothSpawn and he never stopped thinking I could become an actual scripter but I've been one for quite some time.

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Maybe script yourself a highlighter for post age so you don't go reviving threads that have been dead for two years. Everyone knows by this point that Celianna is a jackass. Not because her tilesets are low quality (hell i still have her in my credits because her resources manage to find their way into my games, almost like i paid for them or something), but because she herself is a low quality person.

 

She'll shout untrue obscenities about people if she knows she can get away with it. That's not a survival thing, that's just being a classless brat. Whatever hate she gets is deserved. She's shown absolutely no regret about trying to ruin people's lives under the basic premise of 'she doesn't like them.'

 

She's free to respond to this, if she can muster the courage to do so anywhere where she can't silence the truth. The truth that she lied about what I was, and went to herculean efforts to shut down anyone who spoke that same truth.

I mean we're talking about the same pretentious corporate whore who said this banger.

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Two completely lies on line 1: Art theft I never committed, see above video for proof. Also it was here. not VX.net. Can't even keep her own story straight.

Line 2. Calling me toxic while later going on to try to label me a narcissist, which is pretty rich coming from someone who is known as an elitist by more people than just me. Also someone so conceited they sought to remove me for the sin of not catering to her standards. it's just projection. Not to mention she laughed at the fact i cried, which is also pretty toxic.

Line 3. I never said much about Archeia, unlike Celianna she's a professional and we still talk on twitter sometimes.

Line 4-5. She's reading a lot into my whole 'fooling them' thing. Also if it was as transparent as she wants to think, why wasn't i banned before i could even make the post she's responding, too? Also keeps misgendering me, but I let that slide since she's probably too stupid or apathetic to know.

Line 6. Trolling is what she thinks i was doing, because in her idealistic universe everyone who doesn't suck her off is trolling her. Again, rich of her to call me a narcissist when this is how she operates.

Line 7. I did intend to bring down RPGmakerWeb at some point for fairly obvious reason; though now i know I'll never have to. it's basically become the death of itself. nothing i could do would kill off that place faster than people like Celianna.

Line 8. It's almost like i actually didn't do anything wrong and she lied about it all.

Line 9. And there it is. her being the toxic bitch and making it obvious in one post what kind of character she is. Laughing at other's misery, creating false allegations to try and remove people who don't basically worship her, and so on.

Anyone who sees this and can still justify defending this madwoman, please seek help. Like her, you fucking need it.

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We barely know what other things Celianna has done so far. This thread and perhaps another one as well have been the only places where something like this has shown up. Well, it seems like they don't want to deal with you anymore. Good for them. XD You can be toxic for sure. Not saying you're ALWAYS toxic. Sometimes you behave like reasonable people but there were days where you exploded for reasons that were partially explained or not that much.

I don't know what else happened between Celianna and you or some other people, yet, it seems like there's chance they've founded a cult there. That sounds quite unhealthy even for her own followers. Will RMW fall any time soon? I don't think so. Old sites keep disappearing so new people or some guys that had been absent for ages would eventually return to that forum.

What I have seen is that even people like Avery can be a bit cold and ignore certain things that people tell her. Not as close as Celianna, but she's kind of undergoing the same cultish process... at her own pace I might say. It would be sad it the full fledged transformation truly takes place in the (near?) future.

Stop getting bothered by the necrothing. I'm just trying to make things look a little bit... alive to so say. Of course, if some mod finds it bothersome to keep posting a few things here and there, fine, I won't mind leaving things as they are. This doesn't mean I wanna revive even a 10% of all threads. Nah, very few could ever catch my attention. Another reason why I posted some of my stuff was that I know some of the fellow forumers and decided to let them know something about a certain topic, etc.

 

There were times where I had to stay away from a few users because they kept bugging me concerning some coding stuff and hell, I couldn't even take a break! So I had to be snobbish and treated them like nobodies for a while till I could feel relaxed and were able to focus on some other things that were important to me.

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There's plenty of threads which have more recent posts.

I can be toxic, I'm not denying that, but usually the toxicity is somewhat justified. When I have occasionally lashed out at you, it's only really because you act like a manchild at times. None of this silly religious nonsense you think I care about while I'm agnostic.

Legit I actually kinda miss having you on the discord. You know you were only kicked, right?

Also just because she honestly has no idea why you being so hostile, I'ma telling you not to be so paranoid. Kiyasu isn't my proxy. Like, 1. You're not worth making a proxy for, 2. I don't even know how to make them. 3. I don't need one because I'm not banned on either site you're frequenting?

If I wanted to torment you, I'd just do it myself. Kiyasu wants nothing to do with our stupid ... whatever it is. Feud? Idk.

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As a matter of fact I asked them to be kicked. Not joining that discord channel as a full member ever again. it's not worth my time.

There was a recent case on RMW that made me wonder if the forumers there are really worried about some real troll or they were just uncomfortable to see that some unknown user was trying to make him or her slightly known there. They don't even mention that guy by nickname at all. It sounds like they could kick that forumer out of "valid concerns" on the forum's so called friendly environment.

Yeah, probably the scripters and coders still available on the official forums are still there because of some $pecific motivation or because they're noob enough as to think that there's room for them there. It's not a toxic environment but I can't say it's really welcoming for it isn't. Being ignored seems to be the norm for not few of the forumers.

And don't forget you've been banned on RMW not once but probably a couple of times already. :P

Just get over it and behave like normal people do. People that don't wanna pick fights over non sensical stuff like you have been doing for quite some time. Why should you care about other people's mindset? What if they make an attempt to look foolish or smart or mysterious or anything else? It's up to them, it's not your life. Let them be.

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13 hours ago, kyonides said:

As a matter of fact I asked them to be kicked. Not joining that discord channel as a full member ever again. it's not worth my time.

Be that way, then~

13 hours ago, kyonides said:

There was a recent case on RMW that made me wonder if the forumers there are really worried about some real troll or they were just uncomfortable to see that some unknown user was trying to make him or her slightly known there. They don't even mention that guy by nickname at all. It sounds like they could kick that forumer out of "valid concerns" on the forum's so called friendly environment.

Yeah, probably the scripters and coders still available on the official forums are still there because of some $pecific motivation or because they're noob enough as to think that there's room for them there. It's not a toxic environment but I can't say it's really welcoming for it isn't. Being ignored seems to be the norm for not few of the forumers.

RMW is a bubble. They are safe there... so long as it manages to not eat itself from within, anyway.

13 hours ago, kyonides said:

And don't forget you've been banned on RMW not once but probably a couple of times already. :P

Yeah, and? You do realize this is my third account here, too... Don't you?

13 hours ago, kyonides said:

Just get over it and behave like normal people do. People that don't wanna pick fights over non sensical stuff like you have been doing for quite some time. Why should you care about other people's mindset? What if they make an attempt to look foolish or smart or mysterious or anything else? It's up to them, it's not your life. Let them be.

Oh, just get over having been bullied for ten years by corporate whores you say? While you can't even get over people factually telling you your game has bugs? Yeah okay buddy, tell you what: If you can get over critical feedback. I'll get over abuse, gaslighting and lies.

That aside, I haven't interacted with webs since 2015 anyway.

Doesn't mean various do-gooders who misguidedly serve the wicked by destroying the bold (or in my case, making a poor attempt to) haven't come to try and take a piece.
I'd have been over it already if these grudge-holding dweebs weren't still stoking the flames, you know? I only ever respond in retaliation. They leave me alone, I don't do anything.
 

By all means though. Continue to tell people to get over stuff you can't fathom just because it annoys you personally. Be the entitled brat. Just know that's one of the better reasons why everyone as you say "Is out to get you."

Christ, I'm not sure what I find more contemptible about you. How conceited or how careless you are.

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